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QUB-Halland Six samples of oak in the QUB collection, collected in two castles in eastern Scotland, Stirling and Midhope Castle, indicates a timber trade from, most likely, Halland during the 16'th century. Halland is now a Swedish province (the coastal area south of Gothenburg) but was in the 16'th century still a part of Denmark, although Denmark and Sweden was united in the Kalmar Union until 1523.

Midhope Castle

55°59′31″N 3°29′13″W

The QUB material contains two samples from Midhope Castle in Scotland, QUB:Q3262 (AD 1505) and QUB:Q3263 (AD 1505), which correlates very well towards HallandQ and some other master-chronologies for Western Sweden. In a book from 1995 Baillie discuss the Midhope samples, and claims them being probably from the southern coast of the Baltic sea.^[1] This suggestion mainly shows the deficit of adequate masters for Sweden and Denmark available for the QUB staff.^[2] A very much better provenance is also implied by Crone & Fawcett 1998, in an article about the Stirling Castle.^[3] See table below.

Stirling Castle — the Great Hall

56°7′23″N 3°56′48″W.

The Stirling samples in the QUB-collection, are described and discussed in an article by Crone & Fawcett 1998.^[3] The samples in QUB^[4] is only 7 out of totally 32 samples referred to in the article. The samples available through QUB are all the samples from the "Great Hall". In the article Roman numbers are used instead of Arabic used in QUB. All except GH16 are dated:

QUB:GH5 AD 1517
QUB:GH6 AD 1539
QUB:GH7 AD 1571
QUB:GH13 AD 1559
QUB:GH16
QUB:GH17 AD 1569
QUB:GH19 AD 1560

There is an interesting table with ttest-values (Baillie/Pilcher normalization) towards a number of Scandinavian/Baltic references for a mean of the 6 dated samples as well as for a mean of the two Midhope Castle-samples included in the article. Several of the most relevant chronologies referred to, are available also to us, but three of them are not (Scania/Blekinge, N.Jutland and Zeeland).

One problem, according to the article, seems to be the decision to include also QUB:GH7 and QUB:GH17 in the mean. Those samples correlates very well towards each other, but not good at all towards the other four. They may possibly originate from an other area, so as long as we do not know the reasons for the low correlations, it is better to keep them in a separate group. GH-A therefore consists of QUB:GH5, QUB:GH6, QUB:GH13, QUB:GH19 and GH-B QUB:GH7 and QUB:GH17.

The disadvantage of using ttest-values to demonstrate similarity between two series or chronologies is the dependence of the length of overlap between the compared curves. In the table below therefore corr-values (B/P) are given (t-values in brackets). Correlation values in italic are calculated from the ttest-values and length of overlap given in the article.^[5]

	GreatHall	GreatHall-A	GreatHall-B	Midhope	Chronology name in Crone & Fawcett (1998)
Great Hall	=	(=)	(=)	0.58 (7.8)
Great Hall-A	(=)	=	0.45 (5.5)	0.59 (8.1)
Great Hall-B	(=)	0.45 (5.5)	=	0.21 (1.7)
Midhope	0.58 (7.8)	0.59 (8.1)	0.21 (1.7)	=
SNorwQ	0.30 (4.3)	0.33 (4.6)	0.08 (0.9)	0.36 (5.1)
BrVQ2	0.50 (7.9)	0.49 (7.5)	0.37 (4.4)	0.45 (6.4)
BrVQ4	0.58 (9.7)	0.59 (9.7)	0.37 (4.6)	0.51 (9.1)	W. Gotland AD. 1125-1720 (confusing name!)
HallandQ	0.62 (10.8)	0.63 (10.7)	0.38 (4.7)	0.61 (11.9)
Zealand (Denmark)	0.58 (9.85)	-	-	0.48 (8.35)	Sealand AD 1316-1538
Scania/Blekinge	0.44 (6.72)	-	-	0.33 (5.43)	Scania/Blekinge AD 1274-1974
N Jutland	0.39 (5.79)	-	-	0.20 (3.08)	N. Jutland 1287-1818
WestDK	0.34 (4.9)	0.30 (4.1)	0.34 (4.2)	0.16 (2.5)	Jutland 109 BC-AD 1986
OlandQUSP	0.10 (1.1)	0.09 (1.0)	0.12 (1.4)	0.09 (0.8)
Pola006	0.21 (2.9)	0.18 (2.5)	0.20 (2.3)	0.29 (4.7)	Gdansk-Pomerania 996-1985

The conclusion must be that at least "Stirling:Great Hall-A" and "Midhope" originate from Halland. As Great Hall-B has the best correlation values towards "Great Hall-A" (0.45) and "HallandQ" (0.38), it may probably be from the same area, rather than from elsewhere. But we can not be sure of that yet.

GH16

The last sample from Stirling Castle, Great Hall, QUB:GH16, has a possible match towards SNorwQ at 1588.

                  Member offset to ref---------------------
                  Off Over *P2Yrs------  BaPi-------  BesIE
         Years    set  lap  CorrC TTest  CorrC TTest  CorrC
all...    1809   -420  112   0,39   4,5   0,34   3,8   0,36
SNorwQ     674   -418  112   0,45   5,3   0,45   5,3   0,44
OlandQUSP  577   -416  112   0,28   3,1   0,29   3,1   0,23
WestDk    1787   -398  112   0,27   3,0   0,22   2,3   0,16
HallandQ   913   -262  112   0,21   2,3   0,19   2,1   0,19
BrVQ4      596   -132  112   0,15   1,6   0,11   1,1   0,15
POLA006    990   -397  112   0,14   1,5   0,06   0,6   0,11

SNorwQ, OlandQUSP, WestDk, HallandQ, POLA006
The table above shows the correlations etc. for most relevant, available reference-chronologies towards GH16 if dated to 1588. If GH16 is tested towards each sample in the SNorwQ-collection with overlap of at least 50 years, the result is:

Cybis CDendro, Algorithm: Proportion of last two years growth (2,0,T
Correlations between available references in SNorwQ.rwl and
GH16 dated to 1588 with corr >= 0,08 (all) and with overlap >= 50
Results sorted according to decreasing correlation coefficient values.
                    T-  Over
           Corr   Test   lap
all...     0,48   5,67   112   based on 23 members
N0780049   0,49   5,82   112   1333-1637  A8705 Røstad stabbur stabbe 04
N0890019   0,47   4,43    73   1515-1599  A7285 Søgne gamle kirke 1 (Block 21-104 missed ring at abot 20) Comment: Bindingsverk i skipets østvegg. 1.andreaskors i. øverste fag, fra nord. Ene leddet.
N0890069   0,45   5,17   108   1423-1584  A7285 Søgne gamle kirke 6 Comment: Bindingsverk i skipets østvegg. Remmen.
N0780029   0,40   4,38   100   1488-1655  A8705 Røstad stabbur stabbe 02, 5804N0741E
N0890079   0,40   3,60    69   1519-1620  A7285 Søgne gamle kirke 7 [=3] Comment: Bindingsverk i skipets østvegg. Andreaskors nr. 1 i øverste fag, fra nord. Andre leddet.
02290029   0,39   3,76    81   1507-1710  A8623 Leirviga/Korsvikfjorden Kristiansand brugsbåd 1001-0030x9
N0830029   0,38   3,96    93   1416-1569  A8738 Gysland gamle stuga 2
N1090029   0,34   3,15    79   1372-1555  A8840 Konstali stabbur, Norge - Measured from low rec curve
N0830019   0,34   3,74   112   1448-1621  A8738 Gysland gamle stuga 1
N0890059   0,33   2,79    66   1491-1557  A7285 Søgne gamle kirke 5 rad b+c (Truncated in both ends) Com:Bindingsverk i skipets østvegg. Stolpe nr. 2 fra nord-østre hjørne.
N1090059   0,31   3,01    87   1402-1563  A8840 Konstali stabbur, Norge - Measured from low rec curve
N1040019   0,30   3,15   102   1486-1642  A8834 Bakke kirke; pr. 1
N0271t03   0,30   2,18    50   1538-1696  A7061 Bjorvatn. [The number is from the the retrieved curve but is missing in the 'Katalog'-section. Maybe confused with N0271t02?]
N0850029   0,29   3,14   112   1458-1606  A8740 Bjerland stabbur 2
N0270019   0,28   3,04   108   1480-1663  A7061 Bjorvatn D5551
N0271029   0,27   2,74    95   1493-1716  A7061 Bjorvatn B2 tverrbjelke
N1090019   0,25   2,25    79   1380-1555  A8840 Konstali stabbur, Norge - Measured from low rec curve
N0890049   0,24   2,19    81   1507-1622  A7285 Søgne gamle kirke 4. Comment: Bindingsverk i skipets østvegg. 3. andreaskors fra nord; øverste fag.
2290019.   0,20   1,90    85   1503-1623  A8623 Leirviga/Korsvikfjorden Kristiansand brugsbåd 1001-0030x9
N1090069   0,20   2,06   108   1408-1584  A8840 Konstali stabbur, Norge - Measured from low rec curve
N0890029   0,17   1,22    54   1534-1626  A7285 Søgne gamle kirke 2. Comment: Bindingsverk i skipets østvegg. 2. andreaskors fra nord, øverste fag.
N1090039   0,08   0,74    87   1386-1563  A8840 Konstali stabbur, Norge - Measured from low rec curve
N0830059   0,08   0,81   106   1482-1661  A8738 Gysland gamle stuga 5

Notes

↑ Baillie M.G.L. (1995) A Slice Through Time (London: Batsford), p. 132
↑ 1995, but not when the samples were collected 1978(?), the very relevant chronologies for Western Sweden by Alf Bråthen: BrVQ2 and BrVQ4 was published and available for anyone.
↑ ^3.0 ^3.1 Crone, B A & Fawcett, R, 1998, Dendrochronology, documents and the timber trade; new evidence for the building history of Stirling Castle, Scotland., Med Archaeol 42, pp. 68-87.
↑ The measurements seems to be provided by AOC Archaeology Group in Edinburgh, i.e not by QUB itself.
↑ The disadvantage with corr-values are instead that they are not "linear". 0.71 is for instance twice as good as 0.50.

Data

QUB    1 QUB-samples from Halland in Scotland                QUSP
QUB    2 Scotland/SwedQuercus                                      1265 1560
QUB    3 AC AOC; QUB; T. Axelson  (selection and dating)
GH13    1408   208   207
GH13    1410   182   129   210   250   181   111   108   168   140   125
GH13    1420   103   190   166   133   166   137   125   179   176   182
GH13    1430   170   165   190   158   211   151   113   120   105   107
GH13    1440   157   199   200   205   167   194   151   170   166   210
GH13    1450   183   171   158   113    93   121   135   103   139   140
GH13    1460   154   135   150   152   135   175   125   149   133   144
GH13    1470   128   120   106    83   138   175   206   141   200   155
GH13    1480   132   102   153   152   161   151   173   155   123   117
GH13    1490    77    75    73    71    80    82   111    81    68    90
GH13    1500   106   124   123   127   141   192   152   184   151   148
GH13    1510   139   121   108    89   106   128   109    88    86    99
GH13    1520    72    58    73    88    93   100   128   123   124   123
GH13    1530   127   130   130    86   109    99   122   158   135   163
GH13    1540   156   148   132   127   117   119   118    83    89    81
GH13    1550    99   148   124   159   162   148   121   103    93   999
GH13    #### STIRLING
GH13    #### GH13
GH13    #### COMMENT -   AC AOC SCOTLAND INPUT 1-FEB-96 DMB
GH19    1390   231   276   263   343   222   221   210   328   274   286
GH19    1400   286   261   212   204   204   265   183   162   146   126
GH19    1410   173   194   198   172   137   105    96   130    95    94
GH19    1420    82    85   101   107   145   134   131   129   108   125
GH19    1430   116   131   135   136   154   125   117    80   101    78
GH19    1440   102   117   128   140   109   119   112   111   123   106
GH19    1450   151   173   128    94    61   101   108   103   112   121
GH19    1460   112    93   103   101   119   131    96    95   106    91
GH19    1470    55    51    84    63    90   107   126   103   132   118
GH19    1480   119    86   133   115   120   123   136   115    99    68
GH19    1490    59    67    62    93    87   101   138    76    68    70
GH19    1500   107    94    79    69    66    95    93   111   116   118
GH19    1510    97   116    78    75    74    77    74    73    64    61
GH19    1520    56    67   116    79    78    65    78    82    68    58
GH19    1530    59    52    50    45    52    65    57    78    78    63
GH19    1540    60    72    67    55    55    52    55    48    43    52
GH19    1550    62    78    67    70    61    59    46    52    49    69
GH19    1560    52   999
GH19    #### STIRLING
GH19    #### GH19
GH19    #### COMMENT -   AC AOC SCOTLAND INPUT 1-FEB-96 DMB
GH5     1386   108   149    91    92
GH5     1390    82    61    56   150    95   120   146   152   197   174
GH5     1400   163   174   142   184   128   188   156   134   178   184
GH5     1410   171   167   170   207   134    97    85   105    80    74
GH5     1420    74   136   113    79   110    85   109   130    95    90
GH5     1430    84    87    84    68    85    64    76    69    80    95
GH5     1440   110   111   135   127   110   118   108   137   213   145
GH5     1450   127   192   144   136    99   132   122   100    93   121
GH5     1460   118   124   100   125   119   131    91    95   141   121
GH5     1470   101    94   138    92   135   142   162   141   182   126
GH5     1480   109   118   114   111   106   121   121   139   113   139
GH5     1490    83    96    86   106    93    81   100    64    60    68
GH5     1500    69   107    98    81   106   106   118   110   118    88
GH5     1510   103    92    82    74    83   114   113    96   999
GH5     #### STIRLING
GH5     #### GH5
GH5     #### COMMENT -   AC AOC SCOTLAND INPUT 31-JAN-96 DMB
GH6     1382   146   159   287   159   135   227   149   164
GH6     1390   145   125   101   146   131   132   140   149   155   182
GH6     1400   163   188   136    99   130   156   122    94    83    38
GH6     1410    47    40    59    67    66    45    53    78    48    68
GH6     1420    43    95    72    61    66    78    63    95    98    95
GH6     1430    87    47    74    75    55    53    51    73    83    46
GH6     1440    77    60    65    67    59    73    70    85    74    60
GH6     1450    66    45    38    52    31    51    74    57    64    60
GH6     1460    67    63    73    78    62    78    55    63    75    84
GH6     1470    63    51    43    47    52    72    67    49    49    41
GH6     1480    66    61   106    83    65    70    65    96    92    90
GH6     1490    87    62    66    64    69    67    54    60    30    43
GH6     1500    45    47    56    61    60    68    59    77    64    63
GH6     1510    41    53    46    47    47    63    76    67    60    63
GH6     1520    49    51    80    66    77    63    84   103    84    75
GH6     1530    68    56    55    48    48    52    55    75    71   999
GH6     #### STIRLING
GH6     #### GH6
GH6     #### COMMENT -   AC AOC SCOTLAND INPUT 31-JAN-96 DMB
Q3262   1310    55    36    26   100    48    57    59   110    38    17
Q3262   1320    40    37    37    25    35    59    45    30    29    24
Q3262   1330    48    24    23    27    11    19    30    28    56    78
Q3262   1340    45    90    52    55    31    98    91    84    38    32
Q3262   1350    35    43    33    25    28    42    49    72    43    25
Q3262   1360    34    38    67    70    59    41    45    56    50    26
Q3262   1370    38    43    39    37    55    37    21    22    22    29
Q3262   1380    24    26    30    18    42    22    23    42    23    39
Q3262   1390    29    26    28    30    29    35    30    34    54    50
Q3262   1400    32    43    31    34    22    22    31    22    24    23
Q3262   1410    25    20    22    33    25    17    13    16    13    20
Q3262   1420    11    27    21    13    30    18    22    26    31    29
Q3262   1430    25    22    18    28    35    27    31    24    27    24
Q3262   1440    26    24    25    26    20    24    22    25    25    27
Q3262   1450    33    42    26    24    27    28    20    16    23    20
Q3262   1460    25    28    27    28    25    34    21    25    33    32
Q3262   1470    37    28    28    18    27    24    34    18    26    16
Q3262   1480    26    21    30    24    32    25    23    30    31    36
Q3262   1490    37    27    14    23    27    26    26    20    18    16
Q3262   1500    12    30    26    19    23    28   999
Q3262   #### MIDHOPE CASTLE
Q3262   #### Q3262
Q3262   #### COMMENT -   MGLB 1978
Q3263   1265    87    81    56    77    75
Q3263   1270    66    44    49    49    49    29    21    22    16    14
Q3263   1280    26    36    40    54    46    62    34    29    40    33
Q3263   1290    46    17    39    23    32    27    34    30    31    26
Q3263   1300    56    48    58    53    47    54    38    56    37    57
Q3263   1310    53    41    50    47    52    48    62    56    51    50
Q3263   1320    62    51    44    33    25    35    47    36    35    30
Q3263   1330    40    36    24    26    32    39    37    33    48    54
Q3263   1340    42    62    50    48    26    48    60    58    41    41
Q3263   1350    47    51    48    34    47    45    48    54    43    32
Q3263   1360    46    36    42    39    56    37    54    61    52    29
Q3263   1370    32    47    38    48    60    45    36    38    39    44
Q3263   1380    53    73    54    39    54    48    39    59    32    40
Q3263   1390    42    33    28    36    30    36    33    43    43    54
Q3263   1400    50    48    51    46    40    43    43    43    51    41
Q3263   1410    49    41    43    36    30    12    22    34    25    30
Q3263   1420    27    39    34    27    37    40    39    58    41    42
Q3263   1430    35    30    48    48    59    43    38    40    50    29
Q3263   1440    38    35    41    42    77    32    26    35    33    28
Q3263   1450    40    41    34    31    35    36    27    18    20    31
Q3263   1460    36    28    27    21    26    30    20    22    29    27
Q3263   1470    21    20    14    16    25    26    34    22    24    25
Q3263   1480    23    14    25    31    25    20    17    21    24    28
Q3263   1490    32    25    16    21    23    28    34    31    19    24
Q3263   1500    19    16    31    26    34    29   999
Q3263   #### MIDHOPE CASTLE
Q3263   #### Q3263
Q3263   #### COMMENT -   MGLB 1978

QUB    1 QUB-samples from Stirling in Scotland               QUSP
QUB    2 Scotland/SwedQuercus                                      1440 1588
QUB    3 AC AOC; QUB; T. Axelson  (selection and dating)
GH7     1440   317   357   261   223   209   252   189   155   246   252
GH7     1450   204   153   100    67    80   144   108    83   115   129
GH7     1460   102   116   155    88    92   107    92    72   135   129
GH7     1470    83    65    58    59    73    88    57    71    94    66
GH7     1480    75    87   129   128   143   159    95   102   107   111
GH7     1490   119    75    96   112   131   117   135   105    65    71
GH7     1500   100   130    94   112   103   152   109   117    97   101
GH7     1510    75    78    68    94    95    94   110    87    89    59
GH7     1520    62    91   138   107    95   108   109   147    75    55
GH7     1530    62    70    89    74    70    52    93   100    77    98
GH7     1540   110    70    93    69    55    74    83    70    52    47
GH7     1550    60    77   101    72    64    60    47    49    63    47
GH7     1560    44    49    58    60    69    53    53    64    50    50
GH7     1570    40    45   999
GH7     #### STIRLING (Possibly not Halland)
GH7     #### GH7
GH7     #### COMMENT -   AC AOC SCOTLAND INPUT 1-FEB-96 DMB
GH16    1476    77    65    70    68
GH16    1480   108   131   146   166   198   214   197   194   150   175
GH16    1490   194   145   123   134   177   158   157   182   129   109
GH16    1500   119   154   143   152   141   147   128   137   147   124
GH16    1510   147   175   192   144   146   141   154   185   174   160
GH16    1520   123    86    78    96    96   116   152   183   191   142
GH16    1530   146   118   104   137   120   149   144   140   130   191
GH16    1540   166   132   176   164   171   208   136   139   156   130
GH16    1550   135   145   102   125    90   133   119   121   121   130
GH16    1560   115    97    59    53    92   102    98   107   123   100
GH16    1570   100    78    79   101    72    65    61    60    55    61
GH16    1580    72   101    82    81    80   101    85    77    86   999
GH16    #### STIRLING  (unsertain date, not Halland)
GH16    #### GH16
GH16    #### COMMENT -   AC AOC SCOTLAND INPUT 1-FEB-96 DMB
GH17    1441   182   281   166   215   192   195   169   195   236
GH17    1450   207   195   200   156    86    74   146   169   142   174
GH17    1460   232   149   142   116   103   115   126   115   199   177
GH17    1470   137    98   123   122   108   165    96   116   167    78
GH17    1480    82   144   248   159   208   182   118   167    88   143
GH17    1490   169   107   100   142   123   123   135    76    64    87
GH17    1500   108   136    99    82    92   139   103   119   101    96
GH17    1510    81    74    68   113   102   106   114    86    76    58
GH17    1520    71    87   120    79    75    98   134   138    74    64
GH17    1530    73    74   102    61    60    46    97   118    59   112
GH17    1540   121    94   110    76    57   107    88    55    53    47
GH17    1550    60   103   105    68    82    82    63    44    67    50
GH17    1560    46    72   103   103   102    76    86    85    68    77
GH17    1570   999
GH17    #### STIRLING (Possibly not Halland)
GH17    #### GH17
GH17    #### COMMENT -   AC AOC SCOTLAND INOUT 1-FEB-96 DMB

[1] Baillie M.G.L. (1995) A Slice Through Time (London: Batsford), p. 132

[2] 1995, but not when the samples were collected 1978(?), the very relevant chronologies for Western Sweden by Alf Bråthen: BrVQ2 and BrVQ4 was published and available for anyone.

[Crone1998-3] 3.0 ^3.1 Crone, B A & Fawcett, R, 1998, Dendrochronology, documents and the timber trade; new evidence for the building history of Stirling Castle, Scotland., Med Archaeol 42, pp. 68-87.

[4] The measurements seems to be provided by AOC Archaeology Group in Edinburgh, i.e not by QUB itself.

[5] The disadvantage with corr-values are instead that they are not "linear". 0.71 is for instance twice as good as 0.50.

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Midhope Castle

Stirling Castle — the Great Hall

GH16

Notes

See also

Data

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-'''QUB-Halland''' Six samples of oak in the [[QUB]] collection, collected in two castles in eastern Scotland, Stirling and Midhope Castle, indicates a timber trade from, most likely, [[Halland]] during the first half of the 16'th century. Halland is now a Swedish province (the coastal area south of Gothenburg) but was in the 16'th century still a part of Denmark. The timber may also come from province Västergötland (Sweden also at that time) or Bohuslän (Norway/Denmark at that time).
+'''QUB-Halland''' Six samples of oak in the [[QUB]] collection, collected in two castles in eastern Scotland, Stirling and Midhope Castle, indicates a timber trade from, most likely, [[Halland]] during the 16'th century. Halland is now a Swedish province (the coastal area south of Gothenburg) but was in the 16'th century still a part of Denmark, although Denmark and Sweden was united in the Kalmar Union until 1523.
-;Stirling
+===Midhope Castle===
+{{coord|55|59|31|N|3|29|13|W|display=inline|region:GB_type:}}
+The [[QUB]] material contains two samples from Midhope Castle in Scotland, {{QUB|Q3262}} (AD 1505) and {{QUB|Q3263}} (AD 1505), which correlates very well towards [[HallandQ]] and some other master-chronologies for Western Sweden. In a book from 1995 Baillie discuss the Midhope samples, and claims them being probably from the southern coast of the Baltic sea.<ref>Baillie M.G.L. (1995) ''A Slice Through Time'' (London: Batsford), p. 132</ref> This suggestion mainly shows the deficit of adequate masters for Sweden and Denmark available for the QUB staff.<ref>1995, but not when the samples were collected 1978(?), the very relevant chronologies for Western Sweden by [[Alf Bråthen]]: [[BrVQ2]] and [[BrVQ4]] was published and available for anyone.</ref> A very much better provenance is also implied by Crone & Fawcett 1998, in an article about the Stirling Castle.<ref name="Crone1998">Crone, B A & Fawcett, R, 1998, ''[http://ads.ahds.ac.uk/catalogue/adsdata/arch-769-1/ahds/dissemination/pdf/vol42/42_068_087.pdf Dendrochronology, documents and the timber trade; new evidence for the building history of Stirling Castle, Scotland]''., Med Archaeol 42, pp. 68-87.</ref> See table below.
+===Stirling Castle — the Great Hall===
 {{coord|56|7|23|N|3|56|48|W|display=inline|region:GB_type:}}.
+The Stirling samples in the [[QUB]]-collection, are described and discussed in an article by Crone & Fawcett 1998.<ref name="Crone1998"></ref> The samples in QUB<ref>The measurements seems to be provided by [[AOC Archaeology Group]] in Edinburgh, i.e not by QUB itself.</ref> is only 7 out of totally 32 samples referred to in the article. The samples available through QUB are all the samples from the "Great Hall". In the article Roman numbers are used instead of Arabic used in QUB. All except GH16 are dated:
+*{{QUB|GH5}} AD 1517
+*{{QUB|GH6}} AD 1539
+*{{QUB|GH7}} AD 1571
 *{{QUB|GH13}} AD 1559
+*{{QUB|GH16}}
+*{{QUB|GH17}} AD 1569
 *{{QUB|GH19}} AD 1560
-*{{QUB|GH5}} AD 1517
-*{{QUB|GH6}} AD 1539
-;Midhope Castle
-{{coord|55|59|31|N|3|29|13|W|display=inline|region:GB_type:}}
-*{{QUB|Q3262}} AD 1505
-*{{QUB|Q3263}} AD 1505
-;Stirling towards best references
+There is an interesting table with ttest-values ([[Baillie/Pilcher normalization]]) towards a number of Scandinavian/Baltic references for a mean of the 6 dated samples as well as for a mean of the two Midhope Castle-samples included in the article. Several of the most relevant chronologies referred to, are available also to us, but three of them are not (Scania/Blekinge, N.Jutland and Zeeland).
+One problem, according to the article, seems to be the decision to include also {{QUB|GH7}} and {{QUB|GH17}} in the mean. Those samples correlates very well towards each other, but not good at all towards the other four. They may possibly originate from an other area, so as long as we do not know the reasons for the low correlations, it is better to keep them in a separate group. GH-A therefore consists of {{QUB|GH5}}, {{QUB|GH6}}, {{QUB|GH13}}, {{QUB|GH19}} and GH-B {{QUB|GH7}} and {{QUB|GH17}}.
+The disadvantage of using ttest-values to demonstrate similarity between two series or chronologies is the dependence of the length of overlap between the compared curves. In the table below therefore corr-values (B/P) are given (t-values in brackets). Correlation values in ''italic'' are calculated from the ttest-values and length of overlap given in the article.<ref>The disadvantage with corr-values are instead that they are not "linear". 0.71 is for instance twice as good as 0.50.</ref>
+{| class="wikitable"
+|-
+!                   !!GreatHall &nbsp; !!GreatHall-A &nbsp; !!GreatHall-B &nbsp; !!Midhope &nbsp;     !!Chronology name in Crone & Fawcett (1998)
+|-
+|Great Hall         ||  =   ||  (=)   || (=)   || 0.58 (7.8)
+|-
+|Great Hall-A       ||  (=)     ||        =    || 0.45 (5.5) || 0.59 (8.1)
+|-
+|Great Hall-B       ||  (=) ||  0.45 (5.5) ||  =    || 0.21 (1.7)
+|-
+|Midhope          || 0.58 (7.8) ||  0.59 (8.1) || 0.21 (1.7)  ||   =
+|-
+|[[SNorwQ]]       || 0.30 (4.3) ||  0.33 (4.6) || 0.08 (0.9) ||  0.36 (5.1)
+|-
+|[[BrVQ2]]        || 0.50 (7.9) ||  0.49 (7.5) || 0.37 (4.4) ||  0.45 (6.4)
+|-
+|[[BrVQ4]]        || 0.58 (9.7) ||  0.59 (9.7) || 0.37 (4.6) ||  0.51 (9.1)    ||W. Gotland AD. 1125-1720 (confusing name!)
+|-
+|[[HallandQ]]     || 0.62 (10.8)||  0.63 (10.7)|| 0.38 (4.7) ||  0.61 (11.9)
+|-
+|Zealand (Denmark)|| ''0.58 (9.85)'' ||   -    ||   -        ||  ''0.48 (8.35)''     ||Sealand AD 1316-1538
+|-
+|Scania/Blekinge  || ''0.44 (6.72)'' ||   -    ||   -        ||  ''0.33 (5.43)''     ||Scania/Blekinge AD 1274-1974
+|-
+|N Jutland        || ''0.39 (5.79)'' ||   -    ||   -        ||  ''0.20 (3.08)''     ||N. Jutland 1287-1818
+|-
+|[[WestDK]]       ||   0.34 (4.9)|| 0.30 (4.1) || 0.34 (4.2) ||  0.16 (2.5)      ||Jutland 109 BC-AD 1986
+|-
+|[[OlandQUSP]]    ||   0.10 (1.1)|| 0.09 (1.0) || 0.12 (1.4) ||  0.09 (0.8)
+|-
+|[[Pola006]]      ||  0.21 (2.9) || 0.18 (2.5) || 0.20 (2.3) ||  0.29 (4.7)   ||Gdansk-Pomerania 996-1985
+|}
+The conclusion must be that at least "Stirling:Great Hall-A" and "Midhope" originate from Halland. As Great Hall-B has the best correlation values towards "Great Hall-A" (0.45) and "HallandQ" (0.38), it may probably be from the same area, rather than from elsewhere. But we can not be sure of that yet.
+====GH16====
+The last sample from Stirling Castle, Great Hall, {{QUB|GH16}}, has a possible match towards [[SNorwQ]] at 1588.
 <pre>
-Cybis CDendro, Algorithm: Proportion of last two years growth (2,0,T
+                  Member offset to ref---------------------
-Correlations between relevant references and
+                  Off Over *P2Yrs------  BaPi-------  BesIE
-mean of Stirling-samples of Halland-QUB
+         Years    set  lap  CorrC TTest  CorrC TTest  CorrC
-Results sorted according to decreasing correlation coefficient values.
+all...    1809   -420  112   0,39   4,5   0,34   3,8   0,36
-                    T-  Over
+SNorwQ     674   -418  112   0,45   5,3   0,45   5,3   0,44
-           Corr   Test   lap
+OlandQUSP  577   -416  112   0,28   3,1   0,29   3,1   0,23
-HallandQ   0,66  11,66   178  Halland (Bråthen/Andersson)  2009-06-16                           QUSP
+WestDk    1787   -398  112   0,27   3,0   0,22   2,3   0,16
-BrVQ4      0,56   9,07   178  Alf Bråthen: Western Sweden (1983), Block 4                       QUSP
+HallandQ   913   -262  112   0,21   2,3   0,19   2,1   0,19
-BVSQgt4    0,55   8,56   171  1 Bråthen (rev)Västra Götaland region                             QUSP
+BrVQ4      596   -132  112   0,15   1,6   0,11   1,1   0,15
-BrVQ2      0,49   7,45   178  Alf Bråthen: Western Sweden (1982), Block 2  (bad part 1554-1613) QUSP
+POLA006    990   -397  112   0,14   1,5   0,06   0,6   0,11
-SNorwQ     0,37   5,22   178  SNorw  1 South Norway, Mainly Vest&Aust Agder                     QUSP
-M45678    0,29   3,99   178  WestDK, Nationalmuseet, Köpenhamn. (Version 2003)                 QUSP
-POLA006_   0,23   3,11   178  T. Wazny, EAST POMERANIA,                                         QURO
 </pre>
-:<small>''[[HallandQ]], [[BrVQ4]], [[BVSQgt4]], [[BrVQ2]], [[SNorwQ]], [[WestDK|9M45678]], [[Pola006]]''</small>
+<small>[[SNorwQ]], [[OlandQUSP]], [[WestDk]], [[HallandQ]], [[POLA006]]</small><br/>
+The table above shows the correlations etc. for most relevant, available reference-chronologies towards GH16 if dated to 1588. If GH16 is tested towards each sample in the SNorwQ-collection with overlap of at least 50 years, the result is:
-;Midhope Castle towards best references
 <pre>
 Cybis CDendro, Algorithm: Proportion of last two years growth (2,0,T
-Correlations between available relevant chronologies and
+Correlations between available references in SNorwQ.rwl and
-mean of Midhope Castle samples of Halland-QUB
+GH16 dated to 1588 with corr >= 0,08 (all) and with overlap >= 50
 Results sorted according to decreasing correlation coefficient values.
                      T-  Over
             Corr   Test   lap
-HallandQ   0,51   9,14   240  Halland (Bråthen/Andersson)  2009-06-16                           QUSP
+all...     0,48   5,67   112   based on 23 members
-BrVQ4      0,47   8,30   240  Alf Bråthen: Western Sweden (1983), Block 4                       QUSP
+N0780049   0,49   5,82   112   1333-1637  A8705 Røstad stabbur stabbe 04
-BVSQgt4    0,41   5,03   126  1 Bråthen (rev)Västra Götaland region                             QUSP
+N0890019   0,47   4,43    73   1515-1599  A7285 Søgne gamle kirke 1 (Block 21-104 missed ring at abot 20) Comment: Bindingsverk i skipets østvegg. 1.andreaskors i. øverste fag, fra nord. Ene leddet.
-SNorwQ     0,40   5,75   172  SNorw  1 South Norway, Mainly Vest&Aust Agder                     QUSP
+N0890069   0,45   5,17   108   1423-1584  A7285 Søgne gamle kirke 6 Comment: Bindingsverk i skipets østvegg. Remmen.
-BrVQ2      0,40   5,66   168  Alf Bråthen: Western Sweden (1982), Block 2  (bad part 1554-1613) QUSP
+N0780029   0,40   4,38   100   1488-1655  A8705 Røstad stabbur stabbe 02, 5804N0741E
-POLA006_   0,31   4,97   240  T. Wazny, EAST POMERANIA,                                         QURO
+N0890079   0,40   3,60    69   1519-1620  A7285 Søgne gamle kirke 7 [=3] Comment: Bindingsverk i skipets østvegg. Andreaskors nr. 1 i øverste fag, fra nord. Andre leddet.
-M45678    0,12   1,86   240  WestDK, Nationalmuseet, Köpenhamn. (Version 2003)                 QUSP
+02290029   0,39   3,76    81   1507-1710  A8623 Leirviga/Korsvikfjorden Kristiansand brugsbåd 1001-0030x9
+N0830029   0,38   3,96    93   1416-1569  A8738 Gysland gamle stuga 2
+N1090029   0,34   3,15    79   1372-1555  A8840 Konstali stabbur, Norge - Measured from low rec curve
+N0830019   0,34   3,74   112   1448-1621  A8738 Gysland gamle stuga 1
+N0890059   0,33   2,79    66   1491-1557  A7285 Søgne gamle kirke 5 rad b+c (Truncated in both ends) Com:Bindingsverk i skipets østvegg. Stolpe nr. 2 fra nord-østre hjørne.
+N1090059   0,31   3,01    87   1402-1563  A8840 Konstali stabbur, Norge - Measured from low rec curve
+N1040019   0,30   3,15   102   1486-1642  A8834 Bakke kirke; pr. 1
+N0271t03   0,30   2,18    50   1538-1696  A7061 Bjorvatn. [The number is from the the retrieved curve but is missing in the 'Katalog'-section. Maybe confused with N0271t02?]
+N0850029   0,29   3,14   112   1458-1606  A8740 Bjerland stabbur 2
+N0270019   0,28   3,04   108   1480-1663  A7061 Bjorvatn D5551
+N0271029   0,27   2,74    95   1493-1716  A7061 Bjorvatn B2 tverrbjelke
+N1090019   0,25   2,25    79   1380-1555  A8840 Konstali stabbur, Norge - Measured from low rec curve
+N0890049   0,24   2,19    81   1507-1622  A7285 Søgne gamle kirke 4. Comment: Bindingsverk i skipets østvegg. 3. andreaskors fra nord; øverste fag.
+2290019.   0,20   1,90    85   1503-1623  A8623 Leirviga/Korsvikfjorden Kristiansand brugsbåd 1001-0030x9
+N1090069   0,20   2,06   108   1408-1584  A8840 Konstali stabbur, Norge - Measured from low rec curve
+N0890029   0,17   1,22    54   1534-1626  A7285 Søgne gamle kirke 2. Comment: Bindingsverk i skipets østvegg. 2. andreaskors fra nord, øverste fag.
+N1090039   0,08   0,74    87   1386-1563  A8840 Konstali stabbur, Norge - Measured from low rec curve
+N0830059   0,08   0,81   106   1482-1661  A8738 Gysland gamle stuga 5
 </pre>
-:<small>''[[HallandQ]], [[BrVQ4]], [[BVSQgt4]], [[SNorwQ]], [[BrVQ2]], [[Pola006]], [[WestDK|9M45678]]''</small>
+==Notes==
+<references/>
-<pre>
+==See also==
-Cybis CDendro, Algorithm: Proportion of last two years growth (2,0,T
+*{{enWP|Midhope_Castle|Midhope Castle}}
-Correlations between available samples in Halland-QUB.rwl and
+*{{enWP|Stirling_Castle|Stirling Castle}}
-HallandQ
-dated to 1850 with corr >= 0,41 and with overlap >= 131
-Results sorted according to decreasing correlation coefficient values.
-                 T-  Over
-        Corr   Test   lap
-all...  0,49   9,49   295   based on 6 members
-GH6     0,58   8,78   156   1382-1538  STIRLING
-Q3262   0,57   9,74   195   1310-1505  MIDHOPE CASTLE
-GH13    0,56   8,30   150   1408-1558  STIRLING
-GH5     0,51   6,73   131   1386-1517  STIRLING
-Q3263   0,42   7,10   240   1265-1505  MIDHOPE CASTLE
-GH19    0,41   5,89   170   1390-1560  STIRLING
-</pre>
-===Data===
+==Data==
 <pre>
-QUB    1 QUB-samples from Halland? in Scotland               QUSP
+QUB    1 QUB-samples from Halland in Scotland                QUSP
-QUB    2 Scotland/Swed                                             1265 1560
+QUB    2 Scotland/SwedQuercus                                      1265 1560
-QUB    3 QUB; (selection and dating: T. Axelson)
+QUB    3 AC AOC; QUB; T. Axelson  (selection and dating)
 GH13    1408   208   207
 GH13    1410   182   129   210   250   181   111   108   168   140   125
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 Q3263   #### COMMENT -   MGLB 1978
 </pre>
+<pre>
+QUB    1 QUB-samples from Stirling in Scotland               QUSP
+QUB    2 Scotland/SwedQuercus                                      1440 1588
+QUB    3 AC AOC; QUB; T. Axelson  (selection and dating)
+GH7     1440   317   357   261   223   209   252   189   155   246   252
+GH7     1450   204   153   100    67    80   144   108    83   115   129
+GH7     1460   102   116   155    88    92   107    92    72   135   129
+GH7     1470    83    65    58    59    73    88    57    71    94    66
+GH7     1480    75    87   129   128   143   159    95   102   107   111
+GH7     1490   119    75    96   112   131   117   135   105    65    71
+GH7     1500   100   130    94   112   103   152   109   117    97   101
+GH7     1510    75    78    68    94    95    94   110    87    89    59
+GH7     1520    62    91   138   107    95   108   109   147    75    55
+GH7     1530    62    70    89    74    70    52    93   100    77    98
+GH7     1540   110    70    93    69    55    74    83    70    52    47
+GH7     1550    60    77   101    72    64    60    47    49    63    47
+GH7     1560    44    49    58    60    69    53    53    64    50    50
+GH7     1570    40    45   999
+GH7     #### STIRLING (Possibly not Halland)
+GH7     #### GH7
+GH7     #### COMMENT -   AC AOC SCOTLAND INPUT 1-FEB-96 DMB
+GH16    1476    77    65    70    68
+GH16    1480   108   131   146   166   198   214   197   194   150   175
+GH16    1490   194   145   123   134   177   158   157   182   129   109
+GH16    1500   119   154   143   152   141   147   128   137   147   124
+GH16    1510   147   175   192   144   146   141   154   185   174   160
+GH16    1520   123    86    78    96    96   116   152   183   191   142
+GH16    1530   146   118   104   137   120   149   144   140   130   191
+GH16    1540   166   132   176   164   171   208   136   139   156   130
+GH16    1550   135   145   102   125    90   133   119   121   121   130
+GH16    1560   115    97    59    53    92   102    98   107   123   100
+GH16    1570   100    78    79   101    72    65    61    60    55    61
+GH16    1580    72   101    82    81    80   101    85    77    86   999
+GH16    #### STIRLING  (unsertain date, not Halland)
+GH16    #### GH16
+GH16    #### COMMENT -   AC AOC SCOTLAND INPUT 1-FEB-96 DMB
+GH17    1441   182   281   166   215   192   195   169   195   236
+GH17    1450   207   195   200   156    86    74   146   169   142   174
+GH17    1460   232   149   142   116   103   115   126   115   199   177
+GH17    1470   137    98   123   122   108   165    96   116   167    78
+GH17    1480    82   144   248   159   208   182   118   167    88   143
+GH17    1490   169   107   100   142   123   123   135    76    64    87
+GH17    1500   108   136    99    82    92   139   103   119   101    96
+GH17    1510    81    74    68   113   102   106   114    86    76    58
+GH17    1520    71    87   120    79    75    98   134   138    74    64
+GH17    1530    73    74   102    61    60    46    97   118    59   112
+GH17    1540   121    94   110    76    57   107    88    55    53    47
+GH17    1550    60   103   105    68    82    82    63    44    67    50
+GH17    1560    46    72   103   103   102    76    86    85    68    77
+GH17    1570   999
+GH17    #### STIRLING (Possibly not Halland)
+GH17    #### GH17
+GH17    #### COMMENT -   AC AOC SCOTLAND INOUT 1-FEB-96 DMB
+</pre>
+[[Category:Distant grown wood]]

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